Every time we step into the recording studio, we carry with us the stories of those we've met in the most unexpected places—like the battered woman's shelter where Ann once worked or the shadowed hallways of the courthouse where Tina and Ann witnessed the heartbreak of a murder trial. These experiences, though not their own, have left an indelible mark on their psyche, and today we shed light on the pervasive yet seldom-discussed phenomenon of secondary trauma. We navigate the complex terrain of absorbing the pain of others, from the silent struggles behind closed doors to the glaring headlines that shape our world.

Our conversation is not for the faint of heart; it is an honest foray into the often invisible emotional toll taken on those who bear witness to the suffering of others—like friends, nurses, counselors, social workers, police, firefighters, and journalists. We share personal anecdotes and professional insights, unraveling the INVOLUNTARY process of internalizing trauma and the profound empathy in our bonds with survivors. Yet, with this vulnerability comes the realization of the need for boundaries and self-care, a delicate dance that many in helping professions must master to preserve their emotional health amidst the storm of human hardship.

As we wrap up our heart-to-heart, the focus shifts to the societal ripple effects of traumatic events—be it the generational echoes of COVID-19 on our children, the haunting memories of 9/11, or the chilling normalcy of school lockdown drills. But even as we confront these harrowing truths, there remains a thread of optimism, a belief in the goodness that persists in people and the world. Listeners, you're invited to join us on this journey, to find the courage to acknowledge secondary trauma and discover the pathways to healing, because sometimes, the most significant steps we take are those that lead us back to ourselves.